tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post5911896588351506194..comments2023-10-02T03:19:31.569+11:00Comments on Dead Flies and Perfume: Baptisms Baptisms everywhereMike Whttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13382354162198484322noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-21641004226145910992010-03-09T19:02:04.005+11:002010-03-09T19:02:04.005+11:00The New Covenant is about the willing, testifying,...<i>The New Covenant is about the willing, testifying, resurrection of the Covenant body. Baptism cleanses the whole body, the Bride. This is by her own volition. It is an act of the Bride in response to the Bridegroom. That is how all the baptisms are present.</i><br /><br />I know I'm very late to this discussion and apologies for prooftexting, but I thought the bride was washed by the bridegroom (Ephesians 5.25-27).<br /><br />But maybe this isn't just prooftexting, since there seems to me to be a consistent theme in the NT of divine initiative in cleansing (e.g. Titus 3.5; John 13; 1 Cor 6.11).byron smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17938334606675769903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-60313187202078967102010-02-01T08:41:07.174+11:002010-02-01T08:41:07.174+11:00I love an attack!
And I think there's a book ...I love an attack!<br /><br />And I think there's a book in it. I am dealing with a lot of presbyterians who have good ideas on baptism, but applying them to infants makes them a bit mystical.Mike Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00160881512505096044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-75375775623021268672010-02-01T07:49:39.358+11:002010-02-01T07:49:39.358+11:00Bully, I wasn't trying to attack you/make you ...Bully, I wasn't trying to attack you/make you proof text. Just 'show your work'.<br /><br />Maybe there's a blog post in it for you :)Matthew Moffitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546422699620482793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-18525093493594559442010-01-31T23:31:41.249+11:002010-01-31T23:31:41.249+11:00This is bigger than prooftexting. Though I would a...This is bigger than prooftexting. Though I would align baptism with access to the Lord's table, which does require self-examination.<br /><br />And I know you don't have any prooftexts.<br /><br />The New Covenant is a unity of the Spirit. That only comes with faith. Fire on the altar comes AFTER the animal is cut up and placed there.Mike Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00160881512505096044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-22367486837221856292010-01-31T23:18:39.124+11:002010-01-31T23:18:39.124+11:00So which passages?So which passages?Matthew Moffitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546422699620482793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-1125934453227644962010-01-31T23:07:40.653+11:002010-01-31T23:07:40.653+11:00The Old Covenant is about the willing, silent, dea...The Old Covenant is about the willing, silent, death of the Covenant head. Circumcision kills the ungodly offspring at the source. There will be no more Cains. It is an act of the Father.<br /><br />The New Covenant is about the willing, testifying, resurrection of the Covenant body. Baptism cleanses the whole body, the Bride. This is by her own volition. It is an act of the Bride in response to the Bridegroom. That is how all the baptisms are present. <br /><br />Blood, then water. We are identified with the death of the Head first, then united with the body second. This is the pattern all the way through the Bible.<br /><br />Infants have not been united with the "circumcision" by faith, so they cannot be united with the government of the body. It reverses the consistent structure of God's work.<br /><br />The veil of flesh has to be torn before the flesh can be resurrected.<br /><br />We have to pass under the sword (Passover) before we can be given the sword (Joshua - pass-through)<br /><br />Infant baptism is not New Covenant by any stretch.Mike Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00160881512505096044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-27377993312734879092010-01-31T21:28:31.403+11:002010-01-31T21:28:31.403+11:00Yeah, so the presbyter is supposed to 'examine...Yeah, so the presbyter is supposed to 'examine' each child who wants to share in the Lord's supper. re. their faith.<br /><br />Just out of interest, which passages are you thinking of they talk about the the NC and examining one self?Matthew Moffitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546422699620482793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-31011337863146961882010-01-31T21:26:05.122+11:002010-01-31T21:26:05.122+11:00This comment has been removed by the author.Alisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14156337814361333066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-48494623367210480292010-01-31T18:15:08.449+11:002010-01-31T18:15:08.449+11:00You're all nuts ; )
No, actually I believe k...You're all nuts ; )<br /><br />No, actually I believe kids should be invited to be baptized and to eat at the table - once they can examine themselves. The Old Covenant was about being silent as a lamb under the knife of the Father. The New is about the testimony of the bride. My aversion to paedobaptism only excludes infants who cannot testify or examine themselves. In the NC there are no "vows by proxy."Mike Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00160881512505096044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-42440320641447851342010-01-31T17:44:08.580+11:002010-01-31T17:44:08.580+11:00I think the Anglican church has.I think the Anglican church has.Matthew Moffitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546422699620482793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-25098050273368551192010-01-31T12:52:21.444+11:002010-01-31T12:52:21.444+11:00sure.sure.Mike Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13382354162198484322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8505749622183039650.post-89926161996928899262010-01-31T09:53:23.625+11:002010-01-31T09:53:23.625+11:00Might as well be consistent and go paedocommunion ...Might as well be consistent and go paedocommunion as well then...Mike Bullhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00160881512505096044noreply@blogger.com